Piling on, or Holding Back?

Sungenis Refuses to Face His Record

Bob Sungenis has recently complained that by posting material about his educational background and six areas in which he has publicly espoused conspiracy theories, I was piling on, trying to bring out every goofy thing he’s ever said or done just in order to ridicule and embarrass him. He summarizes, “but it was just too juicy of a ‘conspiracy theory’ for him to let it go. Making a fool out of Bob Sungenis is paramount. We must leave no stone unturned.”

Actually, Sungenis has it exactly wrong.  In fact, I withheld a great deal of other goofy and paranoid material that I could have brought to light on that page, precisely because I didn’t want to appear to be piling on.  I decided instead to pick a representative sampling of his views and minimize editorializing on them, letting Sungenis’s own words speak largely for themselves. In particular, I sought to be measured in regard to the paranoid and ugly views Sungenis expressed about Jews over the past twelve years, describing in just two sentences what amounted to literally tens of thousands of words on his part.

If Sungenis feels that this material puts him in a bad light and makes him look like a fool and “conspiracy nut”, then he has no one to blame but himself, because he repeatedly put up such material on his website and left it there for months and even years.  Now he’s trying to memory-hole all of this by even blocking the WayBack machine (the web archive), so no one can see for himself the scope of what he wrote and posted.

This latest move is particularly telling: if Sungenis doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with what he wrote, or if he is concerned that he is being quoted out of context, then why not leave the material there for others to judge for themselves?

In his latest complaint, Sungenis doesn’t retract or apologize for any of his conspiracy mongering. In fact, his entire piece reads as one long self-justification. He insists that he had every right to post what he did—and how dare somebody tell him otherwise!—but he has the weird notion that if he merely pulls this material down and says that he’s not “concerned” about this panoply of alleged conspiracies any more, then everyone else has a moral obligation to stop bringing any of it up.  In fact, if you don’t go along with his historical whitewashing, he’ll threaten you with a lawsuit (as he has done to me, Karl Keating, Dave Armstrong, and numerous others).

This is absurd. Nobody put a gun to Sungenis’s head and forced him to engage in almost twelve years of constant, public conspiracy mongering. And now, especially in light of the fact that he refuses to apologize for or retract any of it, nobody is under any conceivable obligation to refrain from pointing out his past. Absent a forthright apology for and retraction of the many offensive and paranoid statements he has made over the years, Sungenis, like any other public figure, will simply have to run on his record.

On the “Backgrounds” page of Geocentrism Debunked, I mention Sungenis’s espousal of lunar landing denial, his assertion that NASA makes crop circles from space to get “our minds off the Bible and Christ”, that 9-11 was an Israeli-inspired “inside job” most likely brought about using nuclear weapons, that likewise, Israel caused the tsunami leading to the Fukushima meltdown using nuclear weapons, that the Titanic was purposely sunk and that this is a “blueprint” for 9-11, and that dinosaurs and humans lived together and there’s a conspiracy to cover up the evidence (something he now claims is the “traditional Catholic view”).

On the basis of that list Sungenis accused me of obsessively leaving “no stone unturned”. Sungenis also attempted a tu quoque by digging into my own allegedly conspiratorial past and suggesting that we have similar histories in regard to conspiracy theories. In support of this contention, he pointed out that I significantly over-estimated how severe the disruptions would be from the Y2K bug (something I already publicly acknowledged on my own web site here). He mentioned that I once wrote that I believe some of John Paul II’s words and actions caused confusion among some of the faithful (which is also true). And last, he revealed that I have stated publicly that I enjoy drinking good beer and have a now unfortunately mostly defunct blog reviewing various beers. Again, guilty as charged. Presumably, this is the strongest evidence Sungenis believes he can marshal to prove that I am no different than he is in regard to conspiracy theorizing and the conspiratorial mindset. I’m content to let the reader compare these three items with the grocery list of Sungenis’s conspiracy theories listed above and below and decide whether there is any real comparison to be made.

That being said, perhaps I should also point out the obvious: I am not the one trying to convince the world to reject virtually the entire scientific community and the teaching of the Magisterium and follow me instead.  Bob Sungenis is.  As such, it’s perfectly reasonable to bring his other views to light so that people can consider whether or not he’s given evidence of being a trustworthy, rational, and credible person.

As a result of his public accusation, it seems necessary to bring the facts to light. Here are some additional conspiracy theories Sungenis has promoted at his website and that I didn’t mention initially. Even the list below is not comprehensive, by a long mile.

So, was I piling on or was I holding back? Judge for yourself.

  • Sungenis publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that FDR purposely allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor – because FDR wanted to help Jews gain the land of Palestine.
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that the number of 6 million Jews being killed in the Holocaust was “mere propaganda” and that the statistics show that the number of Jews alive before and after World War II was “virtually the same.”
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that Jews were behind the assassination of JFK because he refused to give Israel nuclear weapons.
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that Jews sent Monica Lewinsky in to take Bill Clinton down because they didn’t like his foreign policy toward Israel.
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that Israel has control of the phone system in the United States and listens in on our phone calls.
  • He publicly advanced the idea that wealthy Jews behind the scenes are involved in a conspiracy to rule the world and more specifically the Catholic Church.
  • He advanced the conspiracy theory that the Jews helped Hitler in the hopes of gaining the land of Palestine.
  • He affirmed a questioner on his site who posited the conspiracy theory that Jews are establishing “5th columns” in all the world’s great religions.
  • He publicly accepted without question a fraudulent “quote” from Benjamin Franklin about Jews supposedly conspiring to rule the nascent United States of America.
  • He publicly gave credence to the thoroughly discredited Jewish conspiracy theory known as the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that John Paul I was murdered.
  • He continues to assert that astronomer Tycho Brahe was murdered by Johannes Kepler, even though new forensic evidence has dissipated this claim.
  • He has co-authored a book asserting that numerous Popes have been involved in a conspiracy to hide the truth about the Fatima secrets from the Catholic faithful.
  • In his 2005 article “Vatican II’s Death Warrant on the Modern Church”, Sungenis falsely attributed a heretical, but bogus, quote to John Paul II. When he was called on this, he then claimed that the quote came from Cardinal Ratzinger. When called upon to validate that, he produced a perfectly orthodox text that did not contain the original quote at all.
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that Pope John Paul II paid $250 million of Vatican money to cover over the fraud and money laundering of Paul Marcinkus, the director of the Vatican Bank, and also shielded Marcinkus from criminal charges.
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that Catholic Answers and EWTN were “becoming fronts for Zionism.”
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that Japan had been trying to surrender for 6 months prior to the dropping of the atomic bombs, but Truman refused to allow them to surrender so that he could nuke the Catholic cities.
  • He publicly advanced the conspiracy theory that his bishop was afraid of Jews because Jews supposedly own the mortgages on all the diocesan property.
  • He publicly recommended the anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish conspiracy theorist Texe Marrs as a source on Jewish issues. Even Protestant apologist James White has described Marrs thusly: “Texe Marrs fills his publications with the latest theory as to how the world is going to be taken over. Both Ruckman and Marrs are true ‘anti-Catholics,’ defining the term for most folks.”
  • Sungenis posted a “news alert” on CAI’s home page claiming that hotel key cards retain private customer information (street address, credit card number, etc.) and can be used by rogue hotel employees for evil purposes: “An employee can take a hand full of cards home and using a scanning device, access the information onto a laptop computer and go shopping at your expense.” The information here was allegedly taken from the “Pasadena Police Department”. What Sungenis didn’t bother to find out is that the Pasadena Police Department has specifically debunked this information as a hoax.
  • Sungenis claimed that the Jonestown mass suicide was really a “CAI murder operation”.   [Was Sungenis offering a public confession here about his organization, Catholic Apologetics International (CAI)?  Or was this just a typo?  Conspiracy theorists want to know….]
  • Sungenis posted a video by the notorious David Duke insisting that Jews are responsible for the bulk of organized crime.
  • Sungenis posted an article claiming that the space shuttle Columbia was shot down by an Israeli missile.
  • Sungenis posted an article alleging that the Oklahoma City bombing was a “false flag” operation perpetrated by the U.S. government.
  • Sungenis posted an article on his cite claiming that the H1N1 virus was engineered in order to get people to take a personality-altering vaccine.
  • Starting just a few weeks after the Sandy Hook mass shooting, Sungenis posted several pieces insisting that it was all a hoax.
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